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In search of a European identity

Not dead, honest – or, why the eurozone crisis demonstrates that the nation state is no longer politically/economically viable

Just insanely busy in the real world. For ongoing EU / eurozone crisis comment (etc.) from me, your best bet is to follow me on Twitter.

That said, this post’s original, short title (“Not dead, honest”) could refer to the eurozone as much as it does me.

Naturally enough, though, don’t expect me to come up with any magic bullets to solve this ongoing economic shitstorm (that’s the technical term for it, I understand). No one else has, after all. The best I can do is criticise *everything* – which is hardly very constructive.

The more I read about the various proposed solutions (cut stuff! merge stuff! spend more! spend less! suck up to China! leave the poorer countries to fend for themselves! let banks/countries default! stop defaults at all costs!), the more I watch the hesitancy and lack of imagination of Europe’s political leaders (oooh! another bailout – how original!), the more I see the refusal by anyone to accept responsibility for the mess (hint: we’re *all* to blame for getting into a complacent and unsustainable cycle fuelled by debt both national and personal which none of us had worked out repayment plans for, and which the lenders handed over without sufficient checks – the people are as much to blame as the politicians and the bankers for letting it happen in the hope of massive profits on minimal effort), the more I realise that there *is* no solution.

Not a national one, at any rate. There are simply too many extra-national forces at work here that are beyond anyone’s control. Yet so far there’s so very little coordination of governmental response. Everyone is looking inwards, to their own countries. Everyone is pointing accusatory fingers at others beyond their own borders, when what they need to be doing is extending helping, cooperative hands.

The world is too interconnected for this insular thinking. A crisis that started in the US has affected almost every country on the planet. A single, tiny economic basket-case like Greece can put an entire continent on the brink of collapse.

This is the perfect illustration of just why supranational organisations are so vital – had the EU had the power (and will) to stand up to the national politicians and stick to its rules, this coordination could have been imposed. With the current set up, as no one can agree, nothing can be done. (We still wouldn’t have known what to do if we’d got more powerful supranational institutions, but at least we’d all have been doing it together… That concerted unity alone could well have proved enough to give the markets back their confidence – it’s the uncertainty that’s killing us as much as the lack of direction.)

Naturally, greater cooperation alone won’t be enough – mostly because it’s already too late. And I’d be amazed if we aren’t still seeing the effects of this crisis in some countries in a decade’s time.

But where this crisis most certainly has exposed plenty of flaws in the EU’s makeup, it’s done far, far more damage to the concept of national independence, national sovereignty. If even the world’s most wealthy, powerful country can be hit by the problems in tiny Greece – and every scare in the eurozone has been reflected on Wall Street – what hope does *any* country have on its own?

The half measures and hesitations of the EU’s response so far can *all* be put down to national political reluctance to act – Sarkozy and Merkel eyeing elections, everyone else too worried about domestic upheaval to care about their fellow EU member states. It’s the same attitude we’ve always seen from politicians when a global economic crisis hits – but it’s no longer one that works. Glorious isolation is not an option.

What good is nominal sovereignty when an external economic shockwave can bring an entire country to the brink of bankruptcy?

9 Comments

  1. There are a bunch of pretty good solutions, that could be achieved with a wave of the wand, if the relevant parties were willing. They’re just not, though. The wealthy Eurozone countries should be, and should have been, willing to agree to elements of a common fiscal policy; the ECB should stop being a bunch of cunts; European electorates shouldn’t be taken in by right-wing fantasies.

    Unfortunately, popular delusions rule the day.

    • “if the relevant parties were willing” – the thing is, *some* of the relevant parties *are* willing. Just not all of them. The intergovernmentalism / national element of the EU/eurozone proving its downfall.

      I’m not convinced that any of the proposed solutions will necessarily do the job (there are too many other, external factors that could undermine even the most concerted efforts) – all I do know is that doing *something* is better than doing nothing but continually delay. But with multiple national governments all having to agree, delays are all we’re getting – yet another one announced today, in fact.

  2. Ill but not dead or dying…

    I’m afraid this is possibly the first thing you have written that i don’t broadly agree with.

    The crisis was as much a failure of the EU (a supranational body) as a failure of Greece (nation state). It’s is unfair to level the failures of the EU solely on nation states! by saying well it is made up of nation states, so it’s still their fault.

    • The EU is only a supranational body in some areas, though. The lack of supranational power when it comes to the big decisions – especially the economic ones – is currently proving its big downfall, because the lack of unanimity (due to the nation states) is preventing it from taking any action at all.

      This is why I blame the governments of the EU member states rather than the EU itself.

      That said, you could, I suppose, blame the European Council for its repeated failure to come up with a unified course of action – but considering that’s made up of the heads of government of the member states, it amounts to pretty much the same thing.

  3. I don’t get it. If the Euro didn’t exist, then Greece would have gone down and no-one in France or Germany or anywhere else would have felt particularly obligated to spend millions of euros bailing them out when they can’t afford it. You said it yourself, Greece is a tiny economic basket-case. The fact that 17 countries are bound by chains to stop one sinking country lest they go down themselves is pretty ridiculous. A team is only as strong as its weakest member, after all.

  4. I think you are pretty much on your own there.Greece could never have got into the mess it has without the EU, who would lend to Greece ?As for the Euro ..is there anyone left admitting to having thought it was a good idea ?

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  6. Hi Nosemonkey,
    glad seeing you back

    Paul Newman,
    living in Ireland, I do think that creation of a monetary union is actually a worthwhile goal.
    and putting pressure on European governments to reform their state and economic structures, to make them more transparent, business-friendly and democratically accountable are all perfect goals.

    now, the reality is that those in charge of overseeing the whole structure are the same lot who are also flouting them and deciding if they are goign to punish their peers for it.
    that is national governments.

    the frequent “solution” advocated from London is that countries should devalue when in financial or budgetary problems.
    A bit like how one would advocate giving more candies to an hyperactive kid to just shut up.

    in the case of Ireland, the main culprits for our woes are not the ECB, European banks or the euro, but
    1) the decisions by the Irish central bank to adopt a “light touch” approach to bank regulations (remember where that concept comes from ?), that lead to highly leveraged banks thx to fierce competition with UK (and continental) on the deposits of a small economy.
    2) successive governements that derived up to 20% of its yearly budgets on speculation (housing stamp duties), which caught them terribly short when the housing bust happened
    3) a corrupting relationship between a tribalistic political class and high-flying entrepreneurs : you couldn’t become rich if you were not connected, and being connected meant becoming rich

    ………

    now, you can say European banks were foolish to lend some money (dollar, pound, euro or whatever), but I do remember continuous calls from leading politicians and economists worldwide that “debts don’t matter”, “greed is good”, “a consumer-based economy is a modern economy”, “credit is cheap”, and so on.
    In the absence of proper national regulation of the economy and liquidities flooding the world economy (since the 2000-2001 tech bubble crash), it’s not like banks had a lot of pressure not to invest anywhere that “looked” good.

    ……….

    finally, I would like to remind you that only Irishmen who held the financial regulation portfolio at the EU-level during the oughties.
    and they were backed to the post by all “light touch”-friendly countries (whether they be UK or Nordics).
    and they all went back to get administration roles at City banks at the end of their tenure … oops, that is until it was considered a bit too much of a conflict of interest

    but UK defence ministries don’t mind accepting golden parachutes at UK defence industries. talk about EU annoying intereferences !!

    Best regards,

  7. an interesting article in The Independent :

    http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/felipe-fernandezarmesto-theres-magic-in-a-crisis–and-good-reasons-for-hope-amid-the-gloom-6261039.html

    I might be taken for a naive’s fool in giving my support to the Euro and the European Union, but the author do reflect some of my empirical and factual position.
    That is the Union is a constant work-in-progress, with a deep well of support on the Continent (if not smug scepticism on the Isles), whose motor stretch back to the 18th European romanticism, itself a by-product of the Enlightment.

    When the press try ot reflect on the pst few weeks, months or say years, they tend to forget that the Euro is a tool for monetary independance on the global stage, that notably was born out of the sense of “betrayal” after the failure of the Bretton Woods gold standard in the 70′.
    If the practical period might be the last decade, the Euro is in effect a much longer project. A living and evoluting currency.
    When interest rates of the european economies peripheric countries are compared between the last 3 years (sovereign debt crisis), 10 years (Euro introduction), 20-30 years (joining EEC and drive to the Maastricht criteria), then it all looks a lot more progressive.

    It’s so easily dismissed in the UK, that the establishment all to often fail to take the historical perspective and instead indulge in posturing.

    ofc, no noe can really predict what’s planned in the back-alleys of government, nor where we’ll all end up. but I’m resolutely on the optimistic side.
    I find the alternative of the Hobbesian world much more despairing.

    as the author rightly said, in Europe “Meanwhile, bring on the crises; without them, we’d be more likely to fail.”

    Best regards,