In July 2009 took Sweden over the chairmanship of the European Union, and in September 2009 a large
conference is planned in Kronoberg and Växjö with over 500 delegates representing most of the member states.

With regard to the fact that the “investigation” was instigated in Växjö and the whole story revolving around authorities in Kronoberg it would be inappropriate that this horrible and shameful account should be drawn to the attention of the Public in all of the EU member states, and especially embarrassing for The Swedish State, Kronoberg, Växjö Council and others directly involved.
Here is the shameful story:

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Alex: ‘Well for starters, Richard Corbett isn’t a MEP anymore.’

So what? He has spent his whole adult life trying to create a federal Europe and (alas) has had a huge influence on the way the EU has turned out. It was Corbett, for example, who was chiefly responsible for making it harder for small parties to form blocks, which is what we’re discussing.

Corbett was an MEP for more than a decade and, before that, worked for the Parliament for fifteen years or so as a technocrat and political advisor. Umberto Bossi, Erminio Boso, Giancarlo Gentilini, Pia Kjærsgaard and Nosemonkey’s unnamed Greek antisemite have never even been MEPs. Are you going to rule them out of the discussion too?

Alex: ‘Andrew Duff though, is an MEP, and he does seem to be a federalist (I’d never heard of him before you mentioned him). However, federalism isn’t the Lib Dem platform (or Labour for that matter) so the fact that they have a member who supports federalism means nothing compared to the fact that the extremist views of UKIP’s allies that nosemonkey mentions, are the stated beliefs of those parties, not the anomalous beliefs of individual members.’

The extremist beliefs that Nosemonkey mentions are not ‘the stated beliefs of those parties’. He offers quotes from individual members, an unWikipedic ‘often described as’ from Wikipedia, a lawsuit and a ‘have repeatedly been accused of’ of his own. Some people might consider the beliefs of the Dutch Calvinist party to be extreme but (at least as summarised by Nosemonkey) they are not racist or homophobic.

Alex: ‘Regardless, if you truly think that federalism is in any way as nutty as, say, “the Protocols of the Elders of Zion are a reality”, then you’re an idiot. Criticize federalism all you want, but doing so does not in any way exonerate racism, xenophobia or antisemitism.’

Straw man.

Freeborn John: ‘The most damming indictment against it is that increases in its power are accompanied by the growing feeling that the EU is undemocratic. No federalist has been able to explain this apparent paradox, because to do so what be to admit the failure of federalism itself.’

Alex: ‘Oooh, a growing feeling, eh? Perchance this growing feeling is created by the eurosceptic media?’

Even Corbett accepts that there is a democratic deficit in the EU (when it suits him). He has, for example, claimed that one of the main benefits of the Lisbon Treaty is that it would reduce the DD.

Alex: The fact that there’s a growing feeling of the EU being undemocratic (not actual evidence that it is undemocratic) accompanied by (fabled) increases in its power,’

Fabled? How can the Lisbon Treaty ‘streamline’ the EU if not by taking more powers from the member states? And why, if the structures of the EU have not become more powerful, do we not have a simple trading bloc?

Alex: ‘means nothing. You’re complaining about it being undemocratic, on a blog post about EU political parties forming a new group, just after having had an election where voters voted them in. I don’t know why you can’t find the democracy, because it’s staring you in your face.’

Elections don’t prove anything. Some democracies are more democratic than others. If the EU’s True Believers aren’t worried about the EU’s remoteness from its electorates and the lack of a popular mandate for the Project then why do they spend so long crying into their beer about how unloved they are and what was Plan D for Democracy, Dialogue and Debate all about? (Actually, it was all about manufacturing amnesia, but let’s forget about that.)

Alex: ‘And how would a federalist explaining your “paradox”, “admit the failure of federalism itself”? The EU isn’t a federal state, so how it operates can’t be a failure of federalism!’

At least I can agree with that. The EU isn’t a federalist state. It’s a corporatist tranzi enarchy with some pretensions to both statehood and federalism. Or something.

Whatever it is, it isn’t working. The solution? Do less. If the EU did less it would find that what it does do is doable. And – who knows? – the people it currently does doo-doos on, democracywise, might even start to love it. (First step: Scrap the Parliament – now there’s a paradox for you!)

No, they get pilloried for allying themselves with with groups a lot more extreme than they claim to be.

And if you think UKIP are a small party, think again.

And even if they are just a small party, you can hardly the say the same about the Tories, who got pilloried in a similar fashion.

“These EP groups are meaningless other than as a way to secure funding.”

So UKIP are only allying themselves with a bunch of fascists and extremists because of the monetary benefits? That’s much better then.

Godwin’s laws already been violated on this page, so I feel I can say that it’s good to know that if Hitler was an MEP, Nigel Farage would have no problems joining up with him for their own financial benefit.

“No voter in the UK cares tuppence for which British party sits in what group in Brussels”

Well I’m a voter from the UK, and I certainly care “tuppence” (more so actually). Oh… you were exaggerating. You were saying that most people here don’t care. Well so what? That “people don’t care” is not a valid defence of immorality. It amounts to argumentum ad populum.

“Nobody even cares who there MEPs are which is just as well for the Labour and Liberal Democrats too, or they might suffer in the real elections to Westminster for the antics of federalist nutters in Brussels such as Andrew Duff and Richard Corbett.”

Well for starters, Richard Corbett isn’t a MEP anymore.

Andrew Duff though, is an MEP, and he does seem to be a federalist (I’d never heard of him before you mentioned him). However, federalism isn’t the Lib Dem platform (or Labour for that matter) so the fact that they have a member who supports federalism means nothing compared to the fact that the extremist views of UKIP’s allies that nosemonkey mentions, are the stated beliefs of those parties, not the anomalous beliefs of individual members.

Regardless, if you truly think that federalism is in any way as nutty as, say, “the Protocols of the Elders of Zion are a reality”, then you’re an idiot. Criticize federalism all you want, but doing so does not in any way exonerate racism, xenophobia or antisemitism.

“The most damming indictment against it is that increases in its power are accompanied by the growing feeling that the EU is undemocratic. No federalist has been able to explain this apparent paradox, because to do so what be to admit the failure of federalism itself.”

Oooh, a growing feeling, eh? Perchance this growing feeling is created by the eurosceptic media? The fact that there’s a growing feeling of the EU being undemocratic (not actual evidence that it is undemocratic) accompanied by (fabled) increases in its power, means nothing. You’re complaining about it being undemocratic, on a blog post about EU political parties forming a new group, just after having had an election where voters voted them in. I don’t know why you can’t find the democracy, because it’s staring you in your face.

And how would a federalist explaining your “paradox”, “admit the failure of federalism itself”? The EU isn’t a federal state, so how it operates can’t be a failure of federalism!