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	<title>Comments on: Germany, the EU and democracy</title>
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	<description>In search of a European identity</description>
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		<title>By: Eurocentric</title>
		<link>http://www.jcm.org.uk/blog/2009/02/germany-the-eu-and-democracy/comment-page-1/#comment-61797</link>
		<dc:creator>Eurocentric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 22:48:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Bundesverfassungsgericht has always been very protective of the Basic Law - especially in the area of rights. This has been good for the EU - it&#039;s forced the ECJ to strengthen its protection of rights in order to maintain the doctrine of supremacy and avoid confrontation with the German courts.

So the influence of the court is very important, and concern about democracy is growing, but I&#039;m not sure how far it has actually spread among the people yet.

It&#039;s strange that France and Britain have been far more ready to accept the ECJ&#039;s judicial culture than Germany when Germany is the one with a clause in its constitution which allows for the state to join EU-like organisations and delegate its sovereignty upwards. Factortame is a great case for seeing how the British courts have reconcilled the doctrine of Parliamentary sovereignty with the doctrine of Supremacy to acknowledge in legal terms what&#039;s been the case in Community law for years previously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Bundesverfassungsgericht has always been very protective of the Basic Law &#8211; especially in the area of rights. This has been good for the EU &#8211; it&#8217;s forced the ECJ to strengthen its protection of rights in order to maintain the doctrine of supremacy and avoid confrontation with the German courts.</p>
<p>So the influence of the court is very important, and concern about democracy is growing, but I&#8217;m not sure how far it has actually spread among the people yet.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s strange that France and Britain have been far more ready to accept the ECJ&#8217;s judicial culture than Germany when Germany is the one with a clause in its constitution which allows for the state to join EU-like organisations and delegate its sovereignty upwards. Factortame is a great case for seeing how the British courts have reconcilled the doctrine of Parliamentary sovereignty with the doctrine of Supremacy to acknowledge in legal terms what&#8217;s been the case in Community law for years previously.</p>
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		<title>By: Nosemonkey &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The EU, UK and civil liberties</title>
		<link>http://www.jcm.org.uk/blog/2009/02/germany-the-eu-and-democracy/comment-page-1/#comment-61785</link>
		<dc:creator>Nosemonkey &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The EU, UK and civil liberties</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 09:24:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the Convention on Modern Liberty&#8217;s Twitter feed and following yesterday&#8217;s post on German concerns about the EU being used as a democratic bypass comes news of a worrying development for the freedom of every EU citizen:People may be aware of the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the Convention on Modern Liberty&#8217;s Twitter feed and following yesterday&#8217;s post on German concerns about the EU being used as a democratic bypass comes news of a worrying development for the freedom of every EU citizen:People may be aware of the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The EU, UK and civil liberties&#160;&#124;&#160;Nosemonkey&#8217;s EUtopia</title>
		<link>http://www.jcm.org.uk/blog/2009/02/germany-the-eu-and-democracy/comment-page-1/#comment-61779</link>
		<dc:creator>The EU, UK and civil liberties&#160;&#124;&#160;Nosemonkey&#8217;s EUtopia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 09:15:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the Convention on Modern Liberty&#8217;s Twitter feed and following yesterday&#8217;s post on German concerns about the EU being used as a democratic bypass comes news of a worrying development for the freedom of every EU citizen after : People may be [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the Convention on Modern Liberty&#8217;s Twitter feed and following yesterday&#8217;s post on German concerns about the EU being used as a democratic bypass comes news of a worrying development for the freedom of every EU citizen after : People may be [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ralf Grahn</title>
		<link>http://www.jcm.org.uk/blog/2009/02/germany-the-eu-and-democracy/comment-page-1/#comment-61778</link>
		<dc:creator>Ralf Grahn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 06:20:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The German Constitutional Court has been and still is important for the future of European integration. 

Its decisions brought about the adoption of fundamental rights as a necessary ingredient in European integration (resulting in the Charter of Fundamental Rights). 

The Bundesverfassungsgericht now eyes the political rights of German and EU citizens in relation to the (proposed) powers of the European Union. 

The German Constitution may be too narrow to allow the Lisbon Treaty or further steps without change, but for those who think that more EU powers are needed in crucial questions the other side of the coin is that extended powers require corresponding democratic legitimacy at European level. 

In my humble opinion, the Lisbon Treaty is deficient on both grounds - powers and democracy - which is why I have such difficulties being enthusiastic about it, despite a number of improvements both substantially and with regard to clarity (when you refer to the consolidated version).

Nosemonkey, I fully subscribe to your question: when is the EU going to go for the kind of radical, democratic reform that is so vital for it to maintain support, and stop tinkering about with unsatisfactory compromises like Lisbon and Nice?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The German Constitutional Court has been and still is important for the future of European integration. </p>
<p>Its decisions brought about the adoption of fundamental rights as a necessary ingredient in European integration (resulting in the Charter of Fundamental Rights). </p>
<p>The Bundesverfassungsgericht now eyes the political rights of German and EU citizens in relation to the (proposed) powers of the European Union. </p>
<p>The German Constitution may be too narrow to allow the Lisbon Treaty or further steps without change, but for those who think that more EU powers are needed in crucial questions the other side of the coin is that extended powers require corresponding democratic legitimacy at European level. </p>
<p>In my humble opinion, the Lisbon Treaty is deficient on both grounds &#8211; powers and democracy &#8211; which is why I have such difficulties being enthusiastic about it, despite a number of improvements both substantially and with regard to clarity (when you refer to the consolidated version).</p>
<p>Nosemonkey, I fully subscribe to your question: when is the EU going to go for the kind of radical, democratic reform that is so vital for it to maintain support, and stop tinkering about with unsatisfactory compromises like Lisbon and Nice?</p>
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		<title>By: Citizen of Europe</title>
		<link>http://www.jcm.org.uk/blog/2009/02/germany-the-eu-and-democracy/comment-page-1/#comment-61766</link>
		<dc:creator>Citizen of Europe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 21:15:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Without the people behind it, the EU is doomed to fail.&quot; Golden words!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Without the people behind it, the EU is doomed to fail.&#8221; Golden words!</p>
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