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		<title>By: john hall</title>
		<link>http://www.jcm.org.uk/blog/2008/05/mayor-boris-eh/comment-page-1/#comment-58657</link>
		<dc:creator>john hall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 10:47:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the points you point out Nosemonkey. I only wish it were true but knowing the game like I do, we will only ever have these people playing a game &quot;&quot; and running there side shows for publics approval thus leading us away from what really needs to be done for the UK/World. 

Don&#039;t get me wrong I believe in Democracy, I don&#039;t believe in any of the MPs ! The ones I have met are all the same &quot;playing the game&quot; and thats all party&#039;s! 

We are mushrooms, kept in the dark and fed on shite. You may think I&#039;m mad or wrong but the world I&#039;ve come to know is run by Corporate and the Governments are its puppets. All for each other and all for sale.
 
If you have time Id really like you to tell me how wrong I am here and that its not just about the Dollar and spinning out there stay in office. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the points you point out Nosemonkey. I only wish it were true but knowing the game like I do, we will only ever have these people playing a game &#8220;&#8221; and running there side shows for publics approval thus leading us away from what really needs to be done for the UK/World. </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong I believe in Democracy, I don&#8217;t believe in any of the MPs ! The ones I have met are all the same &#8220;playing the game&#8221; and thats all party&#8217;s! </p>
<p>We are mushrooms, kept in the dark and fed on shite. You may think I&#8217;m mad or wrong but the world I&#8217;ve come to know is run by Corporate and the Governments are its puppets. All for each other and all for sale.</p>
<p>If you have time Id really like you to tell me how wrong I am here and that its not just about the Dollar and spinning out there stay in office.<br />
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		<title>By: Serf</title>
		<link>http://www.jcm.org.uk/blog/2008/05/mayor-boris-eh/comment-page-1/#comment-53451</link>
		<dc:creator>Serf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 10:39:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Could the decline in the number of non uppper middle class politicians also be connected to the cult of youth?

If we expect our leaders to be in the cabinet / shadow cabinet before the age of 35/40, that automatically excludes a huge swathe of possibilities. Only someone who is confident of their financial future can make the investment necessary to get into parliament at a young age. The rest of us need to work hard, buy a house, save some cash, get our kids through school, before we could take the risk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could the decline in the number of non uppper middle class politicians also be connected to the cult of youth?</p>
<p>If we expect our leaders to be in the cabinet / shadow cabinet before the age of 35/40, that automatically excludes a huge swathe of possibilities. Only someone who is confident of their financial future can make the investment necessary to get into parliament at a young age. The rest of us need to work hard, buy a house, save some cash, get our kids through school, before we could take the risk.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Davidson</title>
		<link>http://www.jcm.org.uk/blog/2008/05/mayor-boris-eh/comment-page-1/#comment-53309</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Davidson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 10:43:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sensible commentary from Nosemonkey

Let&#039;s wait and see what Boris the Mayor (as opposed to Boris the Buffoon) comes up with before condemning him out of hand, purely on his (media shaped) background.

I&#039;m from Manchester so I really have no direct interest in London&#039;s affairs but as someone who has always advocated dispersal of effective UK political power in the form of Regional Government, it will be interesting to see how Boris balances his new role as leader of the only accountable tier of Regional governance within England, against his party&#039;s avowed intention to demolish any semblance of Regional governance elsewhere in England, should they ever gain access to Downing Street.

London works precisely due to its economies of scale - it&#039;s big enough to sustain itself as a stand alone entity - am I the only person to detect a growing sense of self confidence and mutual interdependence amongst Londoners, starkly contrasting with increasing levels of bitterness and recrimination across the rest of England?

I would like to see Greater London develop into a full blown Regional bloc, with its elected Assembly assuming competency over many more areas of meaningful policy; Healthcare, Education, Law &amp; Order for starters to add to the still relatively weak current portfolio presented by Transport, Economic Development, Environmental Policy, Housing, Culture, Sport &amp; Tourism.

Boris (and his successors) for First Minister of London?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sensible commentary from Nosemonkey</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s wait and see what Boris the Mayor (as opposed to Boris the Buffoon) comes up with before condemning him out of hand, purely on his (media shaped) background.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m from Manchester so I really have no direct interest in London&#8217;s affairs but as someone who has always advocated dispersal of effective UK political power in the form of Regional Government, it will be interesting to see how Boris balances his new role as leader of the only accountable tier of Regional governance within England, against his party&#8217;s avowed intention to demolish any semblance of Regional governance elsewhere in England, should they ever gain access to Downing Street.</p>
<p>London works precisely due to its economies of scale &#8211; it&#8217;s big enough to sustain itself as a stand alone entity &#8211; am I the only person to detect a growing sense of self confidence and mutual interdependence amongst Londoners, starkly contrasting with increasing levels of bitterness and recrimination across the rest of England?</p>
<p>I would like to see Greater London develop into a full blown Regional bloc, with its elected Assembly assuming competency over many more areas of meaningful policy; Healthcare, Education, Law &amp; Order for starters to add to the still relatively weak current portfolio presented by Transport, Economic Development, Environmental Policy, Housing, Culture, Sport &amp; Tourism.</p>
<p>Boris (and his successors) for First Minister of London?</p>
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		<title>By: nosemonkey</title>
		<link>http://www.jcm.org.uk/blog/2008/05/mayor-boris-eh/comment-page-1/#comment-53308</link>
		<dc:creator>nosemonkey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 10:27:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;things are getting worse. The number of people in the Cabinet and its shadow from outside the upper and upper-middle classes is shrinking&quot; - yep. Largely thanks to the decline of the Unions from the 60s/70s onwards, I&#039;d say. People now of an age to become senior politicians from working class backgrounds have had less opportunity to get involved in politics via the traditional working class route. It&#039;s now all about gladhanding the party bigwigs, not getting popular support from a union.

&quot;Local party members still have input&quot; - but who are those local party members? What&#039;s their background? As a broad generalisation, people from ethnic minorities, the working classes and women are less likely to join a party and become actively involved in politics than white male middle class types.

Both of these, I&#039;d say, are systemic problems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;things are getting worse. The number of people in the Cabinet and its shadow from outside the upper and upper-middle classes is shrinking&#8221; &#8211; yep. Largely thanks to the decline of the Unions from the 60s/70s onwards, I&#8217;d say. People now of an age to become senior politicians from working class backgrounds have had less opportunity to get involved in politics via the traditional working class route. It&#8217;s now all about gladhanding the party bigwigs, not getting popular support from a union.</p>
<p>&#8220;Local party members still have input&#8221; &#8211; but who are those local party members? What&#8217;s their background? As a broad generalisation, people from ethnic minorities, the working classes and women are less likely to join a party and become actively involved in politics than white male middle class types.</p>
<p>Both of these, I&#8217;d say, are systemic problems.</p>
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		<title>By: Sue Welsh</title>
		<link>http://www.jcm.org.uk/blog/2008/05/mayor-boris-eh/comment-page-1/#comment-53307</link>
		<dc:creator>Sue Welsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 10:17:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a bit less inclined to blame the system. Both Tories and Labour have a democratic process, however imperfect. David Cameron wasn&#039;t foisted on the Conservative Party any more than Gordon Brown was forced onto the Labour Party. Local party members still have input into selection and if they don&#039;t like the choices they are given everyone has the option of withdrawing their blessing from the process itself.

Plus, I could understand an argument based on entrenched interests if things were bad and not getting better or getting better but very slowly. The fact is, things are getting worse. The number of people in the Cabinet and its shadow from outside the upper and upper-middle classes is shrinking. I don&#039;t think it&#039;s necessary to be a class warrior to find this worrying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a bit less inclined to blame the system. Both Tories and Labour have a democratic process, however imperfect. David Cameron wasn&#8217;t foisted on the Conservative Party any more than Gordon Brown was forced onto the Labour Party. Local party members still have input into selection and if they don&#8217;t like the choices they are given everyone has the option of withdrawing their blessing from the process itself.</p>
<p>Plus, I could understand an argument based on entrenched interests if things were bad and not getting better or getting better but very slowly. The fact is, things are getting worse. The number of people in the Cabinet and its shadow from outside the upper and upper-middle classes is shrinking. I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s necessary to be a class warrior to find this worrying.</p>
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		<title>By: nosemonkey</title>
		<link>http://www.jcm.org.uk/blog/2008/05/mayor-boris-eh/comment-page-1/#comment-53306</link>
		<dc:creator>nosemonkey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 10:00:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sue - erm... Yes indeed. My point was that all parties are equally bad because the system itself is bad, so to lay in to the Tories in particular is a bit unfair, is all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sue &#8211; erm&#8230; Yes indeed. My point was that all parties are equally bad because the system itself is bad, so to lay in to the Tories in particular is a bit unfair, is all.</p>
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		<title>By: Sue Welsh</title>
		<link>http://www.jcm.org.uk/blog/2008/05/mayor-boris-eh/comment-page-1/#comment-53305</link>
		<dc:creator>Sue Welsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 09:42:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And voting for the Tories because they had a woman PM would be (a) sexist and (b) pretty non-sensical when their inclusion of women in general is so poor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And voting for the Tories because they had a woman PM would be (a) sexist and (b) pretty non-sensical when their inclusion of women in general is so poor.</p>
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		<title>By: nosemonkey</title>
		<link>http://www.jcm.org.uk/blog/2008/05/mayor-boris-eh/comment-page-1/#comment-53304</link>
		<dc:creator>nosemonkey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 09:31:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sue, while agreeing that it would be lovely if there were more people who weren&#039;t from white, male middle-class and (frequently) privately-educated backgrounds rising through the party ranks, there aren&#039;t - and there likely won&#039;t be for some years to come. Because to get to a position where a party is prepared to put you up for high office you generally need either to have worked tirelessly for them for years, or to have a ready-made public profile - and very few people from non-traditional political backgrounds have either at the moment. It&#039;s that simple. 

Indeed, at the risk of sounding like a chauvinist, take a look at the leading female MPs (to take the easiest and most obvious example of an under-represented group) from the three major parties - Hazel Blears, Harriet Harman, Caroline Spellman, Sarah Teather, Ruth Kelly, Jacqui Smith, Theresa May, Tessa Jowell, etc. etc. etc. - not only are they also more or less middle class (even when originally from working class backgrounds), it&#039;s also very hard to look at that bunch of more or less useless politicians and not think that they&#039;ve got there by dint of their sex, not their talent or hard work.

That Barbara Castles and Maggie Thatchers remain the exception nearly ninety years after Nancy Astor first entered the House is pretty shocking and highly depressing, but what the fix is I have no idea. (The problem of getting parliament to more accurately reflect the makeup of the country as a whole is also likely to only get worse now the power of the unions has waned, giving fewer people of working class backgrounds the opportunity of their traditional route into politics.) But still, voting against the Tories when they&#039;re the only party to have given us a female Prime Minister , a &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Heath&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;gay Prime Minister&lt;/a&gt; (albeit a publicly closeted one) and a &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Disraeli&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;non-Anglo-Saxon Prime Minister&lt;/a&gt; seems a tad odd.

It&#039;s going to take a major cultural change - both top-down and bottom-up - to give alternate routes into politics, and would probably take a generation to have any effect even if those changes had already started to happen (which as far as I can see they haven&#039;t - the parties all instead focussing on all-female shortlists and quotas, artificially rather than organically encouraging active participation).

But still - this is a vast, vast issue, and not one to go into here (I did make a start &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.jcm.org.uk/blog/?p=1484&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;over a year ago&lt;/a&gt;, but forgot to go back to it). Perhaps something to which I should return another day.

(I also worry about the progressive tag, for reasons excellently set out (not by me) &lt;a href=&quot;http://d-squareddigest.blogspot.com/2006/12/i-shit-on-progressives-of-this-planet.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sue, while agreeing that it would be lovely if there were more people who weren&#8217;t from white, male middle-class and (frequently) privately-educated backgrounds rising through the party ranks, there aren&#8217;t &#8211; and there likely won&#8217;t be for some years to come. Because to get to a position where a party is prepared to put you up for high office you generally need either to have worked tirelessly for them for years, or to have a ready-made public profile &#8211; and very few people from non-traditional political backgrounds have either at the moment. It&#8217;s that simple. </p>
<p>Indeed, at the risk of sounding like a chauvinist, take a look at the leading female MPs (to take the easiest and most obvious example of an under-represented group) from the three major parties &#8211; Hazel Blears, Harriet Harman, Caroline Spellman, Sarah Teather, Ruth Kelly, Jacqui Smith, Theresa May, Tessa Jowell, etc. etc. etc. &#8211; not only are they also more or less middle class (even when originally from working class backgrounds), it&#8217;s also very hard to look at that bunch of more or less useless politicians and not think that they&#8217;ve got there by dint of their sex, not their talent or hard work.</p>
<p>That Barbara Castles and Maggie Thatchers remain the exception nearly ninety years after Nancy Astor first entered the House is pretty shocking and highly depressing, but what the fix is I have no idea. (The problem of getting parliament to more accurately reflect the makeup of the country as a whole is also likely to only get worse now the power of the unions has waned, giving fewer people of working class backgrounds the opportunity of their traditional route into politics.) But still, voting against the Tories when they&#8217;re the only party to have given us a female Prime Minister , a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Heath" rel="nofollow">gay Prime Minister</a> (albeit a publicly closeted one) and a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Disraeli" rel="nofollow">non-Anglo-Saxon Prime Minister</a> seems a tad odd.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s going to take a major cultural change &#8211; both top-down and bottom-up &#8211; to give alternate routes into politics, and would probably take a generation to have any effect even if those changes had already started to happen (which as far as I can see they haven&#8217;t &#8211; the parties all instead focussing on all-female shortlists and quotas, artificially rather than organically encouraging active participation).</p>
<p>But still &#8211; this is a vast, vast issue, and not one to go into here (I did make a start <a href="http://www.jcm.org.uk/blog/?p=1484" rel="nofollow">over a year ago</a>, but forgot to go back to it). Perhaps something to which I should return another day.</p>
<p>(I also worry about the progressive tag, for reasons excellently set out (not by me) <a href="http://d-squareddigest.blogspot.com/2006/12/i-shit-on-progressives-of-this-planet.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>.)</p>
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		<title>By: Sue Welsh</title>
		<link>http://www.jcm.org.uk/blog/2008/05/mayor-boris-eh/comment-page-1/#comment-53303</link>
		<dc:creator>Sue Welsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 08:35:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a person whose expressed concerns based on class and the Tories, I think you&#039;re oversimplifying by refering to these matters as simple class prejudice. 

I am worried that the people who make up the government of my country seem to be in danger of becoming even less diverse as a result of Labour&#039;s electoral demise (a demise which I think is well-deserved, by the way, despite being a Labour supporter).

It&#039;s not prejudice to have concerns that our educational and political systems put disporportionate numbers of people from one cadre in charge again and again and again, and to want to change that. It&#039;s progressive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a person whose expressed concerns based on class and the Tories, I think you&#8217;re oversimplifying by refering to these matters as simple class prejudice. </p>
<p>I am worried that the people who make up the government of my country seem to be in danger of becoming even less diverse as a result of Labour&#8217;s electoral demise (a demise which I think is well-deserved, by the way, despite being a Labour supporter).</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not prejudice to have concerns that our educational and political systems put disporportionate numbers of people from one cadre in charge again and again and again, and to want to change that. It&#8217;s progressive.</p>
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		<title>By: john somer</title>
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		<dc:creator>john somer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 08:25:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bors Yeltston ?</description>
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