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		<title>By: Blogging about a blogger blogging about blogging &#171; Gary Andrews</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blogging about a blogger blogging about blogging &#171; Gary Andrews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 16:23:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Blogging about blogging&#160;&#124;&#160;Nosemonkey&#8217;s EUtopia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blogging about blogging&#160;&#124;&#160;Nosemonkey&#8217;s EUtopia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 19:21:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: konstantine</title>
		<link>http://www.jcm.org.uk/blog/2005/07/london-tube-explosions/comment-page-9/#comment-1916</link>
		<dc:creator>konstantine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Mar 2006 01:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent coverage, mate. I live in San Franciso and today, Friday, I learned about the bombings not from the news section of my Yahoo-SBC DSL page-which, by the way, seems to be more preoccupied with the Oscars-but from your blog and its contributors. 
I&#039;ve always wondered how come we don&#039;t get bombed here in the US. If someone bothers with Madrid and London, I&#039;d think they&#039;d go after the &quot;arcenemy&quot;, the US. Moreover, security here, ineptly run by the present regime, appears to be close to a fiasco; there must be hundreds of &quot;soft&quot; targets throughout the nation. Yet no bombings. Can&#039;t help myself starting to think about secret deals. 
 
On another note, I&#039;m proud of the resiliance and the stoicism of the Brits. 
I lived in Scotland for 2 1/2 yrs. and got a good taste of the English as well. There&#039;s a lot to be said about the weather, the diet, and sometimes even the personality, but they&#039;re a hardy folk. And in times of national emergencies they come together as nothing you&#039;ve seen before. I wonder how we in the US would&#039;ve reacted to something like this, or my native Greece.  
 
My condolences. Stand the line with the resolve you have displayed in the past, your nation seems to always arise stronger from the task. May you find righteousness unblemished by blind vengeance. Cheers. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent coverage, mate. I live in San Franciso and today, Friday, I learned about the bombings not from the news section of my Yahoo-SBC DSL page-which, by the way, seems to be more preoccupied with the Oscars-but from your blog and its contributors.<br />
I&#039;ve always wondered how come we don&#039;t get bombed here in the US. If someone bothers with Madrid and London, I&#039;d think they&#039;d go after the &quot;arcenemy&quot;, the US. Moreover, security here, ineptly run by the present regime, appears to be close to a fiasco; there must be hundreds of &quot;soft&quot; targets throughout the nation. Yet no bombings. Can&#039;t help myself starting to think about secret deals. </p>
<p>On another note, I&#039;m proud of the resiliance and the stoicism of the Brits.<br />
I lived in Scotland for 2 1/2 yrs. and got a good taste of the English as well. There&#039;s a lot to be said about the weather, the diet, and sometimes even the personality, but they&#039;re a hardy folk. And in times of national emergencies they come together as nothing you&#039;ve seen before. I wonder how we in the US would&#039;ve reacted to something like this, or my native Greece.  </p>
<p>My condolences. Stand the line with the resolve you have displayed in the past, your nation seems to always arise stronger from the task. May you find righteousness unblemished by blind vengeance. Cheers.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.jcm.org.uk/blog/2005/07/london-tube-explosions/comment-page-8/#comment-1915</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2005 11:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot; from the comments: &quot; Someone here at work has just been phoned by a guy he knows in Canary Wharf (I know, it&#039;s a bit removed - but I trust him) 
 
&quot;He says marines have shot a man there who they think to have been a suicide bomber&quot; 
 
I&#039;ve been trawling the net looking for info on the canary wharf shooting, someone I know witnessed it. Does anyone have any further info on this? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot; from the comments: &quot; Someone here at work has just been phoned by a guy he knows in Canary Wharf (I know, it&#039;s a bit removed &#8211; but I trust him) </p>
<p>&quot;He says marines have shot a man there who they think to have been a suicide bomber&quot; </p>
<p>I&#039;ve been trawling the net looking for info on the canary wharf shooting, someone I know witnessed it. Does anyone have any further info on this?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2005 08:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is just a response to Mike and his attempts to make us hate the whole Muslim community. What about Shas, Binyamin Kahane and the extremists in the Jewish community? They preach EXACTLY the same things about all non-Jews that Muslim fundamentalists preach about non-Muslims. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is just a response to Mike and his attempts to make us hate the whole Muslim community. What about Shas, Binyamin Kahane and the extremists in the Jewish community? They preach EXACTLY the same things about all non-Jews that Muslim fundamentalists preach about non-Muslims.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jul 2005 22:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Way to shove one up thier ass, Lonodon! Thisis the attitude we need to defeat terrorists! London forever! 
 
john  
Ottawa, Canada </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Way to shove one up thier ass, Lonodon! Thisis the attitude we need to defeat terrorists! London forever! </p>
<p>john<br />
Ottawa, Canada</p>
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		<title>By: Muswell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Muswell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jul 2005 19:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was born and raised in London, although I&#039;ve not lived there for some  years - I live in the U.S.  I knew my fellow Londoners would take this awful bombing event in stride, just as they have historically with earlier diasters, such as WW-2 bombings, IRA bombings, etc.  I also knew that, for the most part, there would not be some wholesale knee-jerk backlash against the majority of Muslims in the UK who are not terrorists and who, I am sure, abhore what has happened - after all, people of many nationalities and religions, including Muslims, died or were injured on the tube trains and the London bus.  Sadly, here in the U.S. some of the population is only too willing to leap on a bandwagon of generic hatred (whether that is toward Muslims, Arabs, Hispanics...you name it), whilst other Americans keep a clear head and a wise heart.  Having read the postings on this website and on other, similar ones, despite the attempts of a few to rile up Londoners to hate their fellow man, I am glad to see that it is falling on deaf ears.  Big difference between hating terrorists (of whatever ilk) and just hating people because of their color, creed, nationality of origin or religion. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was born and raised in London, although I&#039;ve not lived there for some  years &#8211; I live in the U.S.  I knew my fellow Londoners would take this awful bombing event in stride, just as they have historically with earlier diasters, such as WW-2 bombings, IRA bombings, etc.  I also knew that, for the most part, there would not be some wholesale knee-jerk backlash against the majority of Muslims in the UK who are not terrorists and who, I am sure, abhore what has happened &#8211; after all, people of many nationalities and religions, including Muslims, died or were injured on the tube trains and the London bus.  Sadly, here in the U.S. some of the population is only too willing to leap on a bandwagon of generic hatred (whether that is toward Muslims, Arabs, Hispanics&#8230;you name it), whilst other Americans keep a clear head and a wise heart.  Having read the postings on this website and on other, similar ones, despite the attempts of a few to rile up Londoners to hate their fellow man, I am glad to see that it is falling on deaf ears.  Big difference between hating terrorists (of whatever ilk) and just hating people because of their color, creed, nationality of origin or religion.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jul 2005 23:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nosemonkey - well done for leaving in all the comments, freedom of speech and all that.  Helps us to remember that there are always going to people out there with distorted thinking.  Yes, some terrorists hide in Muslim communities - but since when did a terrorist walk around with a neon sign on their head stating that they were a terrorist.  Religion has long been used as an &#039;excuse&#039; for committing awful acts against other people - and no doubt this will continue for many years to come, in many religions.   
 
Surely God does not want people being killed in His name, whoever / whatever God is to you.  &#039;Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth&#039; surely wasn&#039;t God recommending that we kill in revenge for killing?  People like Mike (and other inconsiderate gits who have posted comments that I hope victims of 07/07/05 never read) are what the terrorists want - uniformed, naive and impulsive people who stir up further hatred.  Keep your insensitive opinions to yourself - try and be more compassionate towards those involved in the horrors. 
 
I&#039;m not a Londoner - but I am proud of the British spirit that shone through on thursday, from people of all religions and cultures.  The human spirit and mind can be an awful and destructive thing, but on the other hand it can be a wonderful and inspiring example of how humans should be.  How amazing were our emergency services as well, including the way the police acted to information received in Birmingham on saturday.  There is a reason we are GREAT Britain! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nosemonkey &#8211; well done for leaving in all the comments, freedom of speech and all that.  Helps us to remember that there are always going to people out there with distorted thinking.  Yes, some terrorists hide in Muslim communities &#8211; but since when did a terrorist walk around with a neon sign on their head stating that they were a terrorist.  Religion has long been used as an &#039;excuse&#039; for committing awful acts against other people &#8211; and no doubt this will continue for many years to come, in many religions.   </p>
<p>Surely God does not want people being killed in His name, whoever / whatever God is to you.  &#039;Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth&#039; surely wasn&#039;t God recommending that we kill in revenge for killing?  People like Mike (and other inconsiderate gits who have posted comments that I hope victims of 07/07/05 never read) are what the terrorists want &#8211; uniformed, naive and impulsive people who stir up further hatred.  Keep your insensitive opinions to yourself &#8211; try and be more compassionate towards those involved in the horrors. </p>
<p>I&#039;m not a Londoner &#8211; but I am proud of the British spirit that shone through on thursday, from people of all religions and cultures.  The human spirit and mind can be an awful and destructive thing, but on the other hand it can be a wonderful and inspiring example of how humans should be.  How amazing were our emergency services as well, including the way the police acted to information received in Birmingham on saturday.  There is a reason we are GREAT Britain!</p>
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		<title>By: Stefan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stefan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jul 2005 15:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, I didn&#039;t even think of the three communities that you mentioned... all I could think of was that the Liverpool Street-Aldgate train was &#039;late&#039;, the Kings Cross-Russell Square train was &#039;late&#039;, and that the Edgware Road-Paddington train was &#039;early&#039;. Why? Because you hit three major nodes to the rest of the country in one go. The Tavistock Square bus was rerouted away from Euston, or it could&#039;ve possibly caused damage there. Which could explain the odd behaviour (nerves? worry of being caught?) by the person seen to fiddle about with a bag before the bus blew up. 
 
Nonetheless, I am glad to be part of a nation that does not go into headless-chicken mode at stuff like this. The Germans didn&#039;t manage, the Irish didn&#039;t manage, and neither will some bunch of cowardly bunch of terrorists. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, I didn&#039;t even think of the three communities that you mentioned&#8230; all I could think of was that the Liverpool Street-Aldgate train was &#039;late&#039;, the Kings Cross-Russell Square train was &#039;late&#039;, and that the Edgware Road-Paddington train was &#039;early&#039;. Why? Because you hit three major nodes to the rest of the country in one go. The Tavistock Square bus was rerouted away from Euston, or it could&#039;ve possibly caused damage there. Which could explain the odd behaviour (nerves? worry of being caught?) by the person seen to fiddle about with a bag before the bus blew up. </p>
<p>Nonetheless, I am glad to be part of a nation that does not go into headless-chicken mode at stuff like this. The Germans didn&#039;t manage, the Irish didn&#039;t manage, and neither will some bunch of cowardly bunch of terrorists.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jul 2005 07:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://atheism.about.com/b/a/061578.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Silence = Death? Islam vs. Gays&lt;/a&gt; 
 
February 03, 2004 
 
The slogan &quot;Silence = Death&quot; has long been used by the gay community to express the idea that speaking out is a necessity for survival. Silence about what happens to gays, whether it be AIDS or discrimination, only serves to allow the problems to continue rather than be solved. So why the silence about how Islamic communities treat gays?  
 
That&#039;s a question discussed Eric at Classical Values:  
 
&lt;i&gt;Other than blogs by gay gun nuts, where are American gays supposed to go to read about such things as Islamic attacks and Islamic attitudes on homosexuality? Do they have to have to read WorldNetDaily? ... Well, why isn&#039;t the mainstream &quot;gay movement&quot; giving these things the attention they should? Why is there so much silence about Islamic sodomy Laws and homosexuality?&lt;/i&gt; 
 
Eric quotes the Independent Gay Forum on the situation for gays under the Palestinian Authority - a situation that is probably no worse than it is for gays in other Muslim states:  
 
&lt;i&gt;According to Halevi, &lt;b&gt;one young man discovered to be gay was forced by Palestinian Authority police &quot;to stand in sewage water up to his neck, his head covered by a sack filled with feces, and then he was thrown into a dark cell infested with insects.&quot;&lt;/b&gt; During one interrogation &lt;b&gt;Palestinian police stripped him and forced him to sit on a Coke bottle.&lt;/b&gt;  
 
When he was released he fled to Israel. If he were forced to return to Gaza, he said, &quot;The police would kill me.&quot;  
 
An American who foolishly moved into the West Bank to live with his Palestinian lover said they told everyone they were just friends, but one day they &quot;found a letter under our door from the Islamic court. It listed the five forms of death prescribed by Islam for homosexuality, including stoning and burning. We fled to Israel that same day,&quot; he said.  
 
The head of a Tel Aviv gay organization told Halevi, &quot;The persecution of gays in the Palestinian Authority doesn&#039;t just come from the families or the Islamic groups, but from the P.A. itself.&quot;  
 
Palestinian police have increasingly enforced Islamic religion law, he said: &quot;It&#039;s now impossible to be an open gay in the P.A.&quot; He recalled that one gay man in the Palestinian police went to Israel for a short time. When he returned to the West Bank, Palestinian Authority police confined him to a pit without food or water until he died.  
 
A 17-year-old gay youth recalled that he spent months in a Palestinian Authority prison &quot;where interrogators cut him with glass and poured toilet cleaner into his wounds.&quot;&lt;/i&gt; 
 
&lt;b&gt;Why aren&#039;t people talking more about this? It&#039;s a &quot;taboo&quot; subject to even do research on gay bashing among immigrants and Muslims in Germany. Apparently, when one minority suggests that another should be gassed and wiped out, that isn&#039;t worth addressing. Maybe it would be perceived as anti-Muslim to note when Muslims are trying to violently repress gays?&lt;/b&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://atheism.about.com/b/a/061578.htm" rel="nofollow">Silence = Death? Islam vs. Gays</a> </p>
<p>February 03, 2004 </p>
<p>The slogan &quot;Silence = Death&quot; has long been used by the gay community to express the idea that speaking out is a necessity for survival. Silence about what happens to gays, whether it be AIDS or discrimination, only serves to allow the problems to continue rather than be solved. So why the silence about how Islamic communities treat gays?  </p>
<p>That&#039;s a question discussed Eric at Classical Values:  </p>
<p><i>Other than blogs by gay gun nuts, where are American gays supposed to go to read about such things as Islamic attacks and Islamic attitudes on homosexuality? Do they have to have to read WorldNetDaily? &#8230; Well, why isn&#039;t the mainstream &quot;gay movement&quot; giving these things the attention they should? Why is there so much silence about Islamic sodomy Laws and homosexuality?</i> </p>
<p>Eric quotes the Independent Gay Forum on the situation for gays under the Palestinian Authority &#8211; a situation that is probably no worse than it is for gays in other Muslim states:  </p>
<p><i>According to Halevi, <b>one young man discovered to be gay was forced by Palestinian Authority police &quot;to stand in sewage water up to his neck, his head covered by a sack filled with feces, and then he was thrown into a dark cell infested with insects.&quot;</b> During one interrogation <b>Palestinian police stripped him and forced him to sit on a Coke bottle.</b>  </p>
<p>When he was released he fled to Israel. If he were forced to return to Gaza, he said, &quot;The police would kill me.&quot;  </p>
<p>An American who foolishly moved into the West Bank to live with his Palestinian lover said they told everyone they were just friends, but one day they &quot;found a letter under our door from the Islamic court. It listed the five forms of death prescribed by Islam for homosexuality, including stoning and burning. We fled to Israel that same day,&quot; he said.  </p>
<p>The head of a Tel Aviv gay organization told Halevi, &quot;The persecution of gays in the Palestinian Authority doesn&#039;t just come from the families or the Islamic groups, but from the P.A. itself.&quot;  </p>
<p>Palestinian police have increasingly enforced Islamic religion law, he said: &quot;It&#039;s now impossible to be an open gay in the P.A.&quot; He recalled that one gay man in the Palestinian police went to Israel for a short time. When he returned to the West Bank, Palestinian Authority police confined him to a pit without food or water until he died.  </p>
<p>A 17-year-old gay youth recalled that he spent months in a Palestinian Authority prison &quot;where interrogators cut him with glass and poured toilet cleaner into his wounds.&quot;</i> </p>
<p><b>Why aren&#039;t people talking more about this? It&#039;s a &quot;taboo&quot; subject to even do research on gay bashing among immigrants and Muslims in Germany. Apparently, when one minority suggests that another should be gassed and wiped out, that isn&#039;t worth addressing. Maybe it would be perceived as anti-Muslim to note when Muslims are trying to violently repress gays?</b></p>
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